While the attorneys dropped the defense on the ground's they didn't want their clients to commit suicide, Fitzgerald at least voiced the opinion it would have been suicide for Manson as well, as it would have only proven Bugliosi's case right.What is funny, is that Manson is demonized for supposedly trying to make the girls take the rap to save him. Robert Hendrickson posted: AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." She saw Krenwinkel with an upraised knife pursue a woman in a white gown — Frykowski’s girlfriend, Abigail Folger, 25 — across the lawn. Thing is though, it can be hard to spot or be conclusive at the time because it feels kind of heavy to assume a child or teenager is on the road to ruin due to things they might have done or be doing that haven't yet bloomed into something that everyone holds their heads in their hands about.That job as an aide at a nursing home sounds so kind and sweet.....Perhaps I'm cynical, and she found joy sponge bathing a freshly soiled seniorI don't think you were being any more cynical than anyone else gets when discussing Mrs K and I don't think she was a nursing home aide out of some strong desire to replicate Florence Nightingale. So when I started my lawsuits, I went to a Salvation Army store and with the luck of the Vikings, some guy had just donated a bunch of HIS custom made Italian suits. Talks about how she had to put real strength into stabbing a human because it wasn't like cutting meat. She raised four children, including a son who was born while she was in prison awaiting the start of the Manson trial. )I don't see her as having a personality disorder, just a consistently lawless mindset, which doesn't invalidate her ability or sometime willingness to do what is right. Therefore, as far as I can see, the description of Linda as a hippy, as was understood by those not in sympatico with any countercultural thought, is pretty accurate. Sorry. Some folk are just simply born under a bad sign, cursed with to much anger, desperation and bad judgement in their DNA. ?I've stated many a time that my heart goes out to many people on all sides of this saga.But TLB blogs aren't essentially about the relatives of the victims are they ? Until you examine it. Linda Kasabian: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know https://t.co/cytB7IlGr8 Linda Kasabian was 20 years old when she became a member of Charles Manson's "Family" in 1969. After moving to New Hampshire to live with her mother, Kasabian was inundated with media and public attention, so she changed her name and moved west, remaining in hiding until a documentary film crew found her living in near poverty in a trailer park in 2009. But is like a badge of honor to people to refuse to give H.S any weight at all...And it just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibility, when all of the actual killers themselves have repeated the validation that it was for over 40 years with the exact same stories, and memories.you can hear the shame, embarrassment, and humiliation in the voice of a sobered up- middle aged Leslie Van Houten as she tries to explain H/S and the "Hole in the Desert" to her parole boards. Where Is Acquitted Murderer Candy Montgomery Now? It came up from a variety of sources, some of whom weren't even in the Family. Before Tate-LaBianca She attended Milford High School in Milford, New Hampshire in 1964 and 1965. Exhausted by the constant attention from the press, Linda decided to change her name and move across the country. So that is another mystery.All in all, I'd say what he could/should have been charged with doesn't add up to a life in prison and being America's poster boy for evil.I'll also say I don't think the case was handled properly and that he was used by various people for political and personal ambitions and while he is no angel, I don't think he is all bad and find him to be far smarter than the average idiot you deal with on a day to day basis. Her testimony eventually led to their conviction. She went to the farm with her daughter Tanya and met people who . But it also denotes the paradox that was the Family. He wasn't even charged with shooting Lotsapoppa, but we all know it happened.....The question: what if she was ASKED?She wasn't asked, she was told. He wants midnight. Grim, I have to disagree with you a bit. (Four) - $1 bills; serial #L713312991, #FS70065680, #G10854391G, #R74795353B.She didn't- from the Police Property Report (from the coroner)- the wallet is there, his glasses are not (sorry, couldn't resist). I think goofy's comments about 'being at war' and 'casualties of war' are interesting. Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders...." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! A young Linda, as per her friends, neighbours and teachers, was intelligent, kind and shy but starry-eyed romantic. AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? She drove with Watson, Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkel to the secluded Benedict Canyon estate where Tate lived with her husband, director Roman Polanski, who was out of the country filming. There are definitely aspects of her being that stink worse than any shit a doctor or vet could extract from a creature of any description. Stuff that made her look like everything from a slag to a thief to a patient suffering from some form of mental illness to an unfit Mum to a junkie stealing from her Dad. ]MR.KANAREK: Compound, your Honor, leading and suggestive. I gotta disagree with you on that one. document.write(''); Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. That, of course, rather obviously is directed at Charles Manson. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. Is Linda a good or bad person? (Ben Olender / Los Angeles Times) In 1969, 20-year-old Linda. She was Yana the Fatty in high school I see. But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. Went to high school with her in Milford, NH. The ones who actually did it and had to pay for it all say the same thing. Before goofball goes off on Hollywood did I hear her initially say 'she shouldn't have been there'? She gave birth to Angel and Tanya Kasabian with her husband Robert Kasabian. Given that she says all this in more or less the same group of sentences {in Robert's book}, which is it ? It was wrong. She seized the opportunity to escape, leaving her daughter Tanya behind because the child had been taken to a remote location with other Manson family children. Manson Mythos said...While the attorneys dropped the defense on the ground's they didn't want their clients to commit suicide, Fitzgerald at least voiced the opinion it would have been suicide for Manson as well, as it would have only proven Bugliosi's case rightWhere does he say that and how would it prove suicide for Charlie ? Uh oh, not being a 'motive guy' I best stay out of this. Monday, December 22nd, 1969 LAWRENCE, Mass., Dec. 22 - The husband of a suspect in the Sharon Tate murder case in Los Angeles, is missing and feared dead, his mother says. Remember part of your goal is to get the jury to see her as at least as vile as your client. Kasabian ran to her car and started it, but she was then afraid to drive away, fearing for her baby back at the Spahn Ranch. Linda Kasabian - Charles Manson, Family & Facts - Biography As for the night of LaBianca, it's so shrouded in mystery and there are so many questions that I am not exactly sure what his role was. "Who was watching Sharon Tate?Opinion: "That just don't make no sense". But Linda?? 'Best at the backhand slash' might not have sold well to the jury. But..What I meant was that she said Tex told her to get Steven's wallet. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. That's 3 times in a week. When I've told people of how I came to be living there and what I experienced in those 4 years and how I got away, people think it's ever such a dramatic tale. Where are the Manson Murderers now? - People.com No counselor, I think that's a stretch but Manson certainly heard what they were saying while in prison and heard them and knew what they were seeking. Because the socialist told me to vote for her, despite only weeks earlier being the leader of a revolution against the 1%. She was present at both the Tate and LaBianca murders committed by the cult in 1969 but received immunity for her testimony as a key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi’s prosecution of Manson and his followers. Linda Kasabian Daughters: Tanya and Angel Kasabian, Linda Kasabian Cause of Death, Daughter, and Autopsy Report. Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter Skelter. Fusing light into darkness?? document.write(part3 + ''); No screaming for it to stop, etc. In Los Angeles, she was charged with seven counts of murder but was given immunity from prosecution after she testified against Manson and the others. She stole money from her friends to impress people she knew for days. You are all welcome. I think my age (time to come full circle) gives me an advantage to understand some things others don't have.I have (after many years) had discussions with folks that I had "conflicts" with (earlier in life) and almost always THEY saw the "conflict" in a DIFFERENT light than ME. Manson himself went inside and tied the victims and then left – along with her and few others – instructing the rest of the family members to kill them. Anniversary thoughts- Leary7 said it best. Two days later, Manson told Kasabian to visit Bobby Beausoleil, the clan member who had been arrested a few days earlier for killing Manson associate Gary Hinman at Manson’s direction. My apologies Dreath. var part3 = "David at Mansonblog dot com"; I know people are going to scream at my saying the TLB story is not a 'good/bad' one because it is just to easy to tell the good guys from the bad. And they all had a modicum of help. Hardly surprising given the dramatic nature of the cast of characters. THEN . AND Paul Watkins, who KNEW Charlie INTIMATELY said: "The Black Muslims will prevail in the final Black and White battle. Also Known As: Linda Darlene Kasabian, Linda Darlene Drouin, Spouse/Ex-: Robert Peasley (m. 1965 – div.. 1966). But to the jury back in 1969, it was. They can't both be right, correct, so pick one. She married Robert Kasabian but that marriage turned sour she still held on. Manson Mythos said...The recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure CoincidenceOf course it can !In a city where different Family members had various dealings, if some of those places were near each other, what is unusual about that ? I think it's just Pat being nervous and trying to show that they were meant to kill everyone in the house. If it comes out that a witness has two convictions, one for bestiality involving a local horse and the other for sexually abusing one of their siblings, the other side will lean hard on that. Now, when you say the middle of the night do you mean 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning or do you mean midnight? It can't be HS because that makes Charlie responsible. :). Kasabian passed away on January 21 at a hospital in Tacoma, according to a death certificate, obtained by TMZ. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. Linda's mother's second marriage didn't just mean a lack of attention for Linda, but according to Kasabian her stepfather, Jake Byrd, abused both herself and her mother. She's an experienced generalist with a passion for lifestyle, geek news, pop culture, and true crime. And she said, "It's too late." All Rights Reserved. You can correct me on that one. I will not praise Deb because she is awesome and already knows it.But no mention of LADY DANGEROUS? Later, Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Kasabian turned herself in two months later, and became the lead witness for the prosecution. As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. 8 min Gift Article Share Linda Kasabian, a troubled young drifter who joined Charles Manson's cult, served as the gang's lookout and getaway driver during a gruesome Los Angeles murder rampage. Of course that's his job. In 1968, she gave birth to a daughter. There were a number of details like this that came out, even worse ones during the Watson trial. Replace something detrimental to his case with something beneficial. Granted, the residents could be difficult and particularly nasty to those that were not English {ie, most of them} but they can't all have been 'off' days ! Because there was no doubt that I knew that what was ever going to happen here was not going to be good. I remember reading it over at the now dearly departed Cat's site. Robert Hendrickson said...I wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America IF you actually take a peek behind the headlines - Oh what a different perspective you might findI think this is the case. She jumped at the chance to join it. They were to be the vanguard the race war. look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. Linda Kasabian, a former member of the infamous Manson Family, passed away at the age of 73. His case went like this:"Charles Manson sent out from the fires of hell at Spahn Ranch three heartless, bloodthirsty robots and--unfortunately for him--one human being, the hippie girl Linda Kasabian." And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. Instead, she found Charles Manson. Back in the day drunkenness and mentally altering ones mind with drugs was considered BAD, because only losers did that. linda kasabian - CieloDrive.com Linda basically went through a couple of year speed bump in the Big picture. Don't post that when I'm taking a drink of beer. Perhaps he even was trying to remind her about the importance of midnight, we'll never know. Linda Kasabian was the key witness against Charles Manson and other “family” members. Who you are is determined by what you do when you get back up.". I believe, in fact I know, others were present when he was killed who were never even charged. Relation: Name: Birth: Mother: Linda Kasabian: June 21 1949: Spotted an error? Two people had spread that around long before Linda herself was even arrested. What if she wouldn't have testified? Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. The only possible explanation, is that on that particular day she forgot it back on the ranch and only brought her library card.Give the absolutely weak explanation for her being involved by the prosecutor. But if he did use Helter Skleter to motivate the others to do the crimes for him, and those who actually did the killing- thought they were doing it in the name of Helter Skleter....Which is the real motive? When he then asks "do you mean 3 a.m. or midnight" he's leading the witness. I do not think that Charles Manson masterminded or ordered the Tate-LaBianca murders. The content produced by YourTango is for informational and educational purposes only. Suggest an alternative. That gave me an insight that Bugliosi & Gentry's book doesn't even hint at, though it initially inspired it. All they knew is that she was a look out and wasn't asked. St Circumstance said...That's the point lol. Because certainly the message couldn't be, "sorry you're in jail bud, but we kicked started a global race war last night".Lol. I think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit today. He talked Kasabian into stealing $5,000 from her husband’s friend in Topanga, justifying the crime by telling her “that she could do no wrong and that everything should be shared,” Vincent Bugliosi, the L.A. County deputy district attorney who led the prosecution of the Manson killers, wrote in his bestselling book about the case, “Helter Skelter.”. But a vote for a real mass murderer like Clinton is the better choice. Wally Fong/AP; Bill Hudson/AP. Because the logical conclusion of your implication is that he was obsessed with "getting" Charles Manson, even to the extent that he would frame an innocent man and see him rot in jail for life. 3. She sounds very laconic and flat. Menudo Star Says José Menendez Assaulted Him. Matt said...Amazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trialDuring the trial, she was asked a number of times about her licence. There again, some of us have brothers, sisters, Dads, Mums, cousins, close friends etc that are in that vein and we still love them just the same and haven't yet abandoned them, though it may have been touch and go sometimes. Not even in her Grand Jury testimony did Atkins say anything. More weight does not necessarily make it right or definitive.That said, quoting various bods is more for the interest of seeing exactly what they did say about certain of the incidents/matters we're all discussing and sometimes providing illumination.If Watson is attacking Voytek.....And Krenwinkel is chasing Abigail......And then Sadie came running out of the house, Who was watching Sharon Tate?No one.
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